windows vista n will even better

The N version of Windows is about to get even BETTER in Vista. The EU commision is planning to strip it to the bone and make it a nearly useless out-of-the-box experience! No search, media player, no metro .. heck, they are even considering banning IE7! How one is supposed to download a competing browser without a browser the EU commision does not explain .. and the EU commision makes no mention that both Apple OSX and countless Linux distributions do bundle all these thing and much more.
Does the EU commision have another agenda than simply precluding monopolistic practice? Why wouldn't they bar Apple from bundling on the Apple computer platform - Apple is just as - or more so - a "monopolist" on the Apple platform than any other software vendor - it's a near lockout at that. Why isn't that being addressed .. or is there another (hidden) agenda here?
["EU Warns Microsoft About Windows Vista" March 29, 2006 by Paul Thurrott] http://www.windowsitpro.com/articles/index.cfm?articleid=49836&cpage=1

Gospel wrote:

Does the EU commision have another agenda than simply precluding monopolistic practice? Why wouldn't they bar Apple from bundling on the Apple computer platform - Apple is just as - or more so - a "monopolist" on the Apple platform than any other software vendor - it's a near lockout at that. Why isn't that being addressed .. or is there another (hidden) agenda here?

EU is also hitting Apple where it hurts. There's been quite a bit of news about it in recent weeks, not to mention the obligatory /. discussion.

I think this Edition of Windows Vista is meant for people only like Zack. :-p -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"Gospel" wrote in message

The N version of Windows is about to get even BETTER in Vista. The EU commision is planning to strip it to the bone and make it a nearly useless out-of-the-box experience! No search, media player, no metro .. heck, they are even considering banning IE7! How one is supposed to download a competing browser without a browser the EU commision does not explain .. and the EU commision makes no mention that both Apple OSX and countless Linux distributions do bundle all these thing and much more.
Does the EU commision have another agenda than simply precluding monopolistic practice? Why wouldn't they bar Apple from bundling on the Apple computer platform - Apple is just as - or more so - a "monopolist" on the Apple platform than any other software vendor - it's a near lockout at that. Why isn't that being addressed .. or is there another (hidden) agenda here?
["EU Warns Microsoft About Windows Vista" March 29, 2006 by Paul Thurrott] http://www.windowsitpro.com/articles/index.cfm?articleid=49836&cpage=1

OI!!
Just because I live in the EU doesn't mean I'm going to use such n00bish software as an "N" Edition!! :oP Ultimate all the way baby *does the Victory dance*
-- Zack Whittaker Windows Server 2003 R2 Mentor » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared that up!
--- Original message follows --- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

I think this Edition of Windows Vista is meant for people only like Zack. :-p -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"Gospel" wrote in message The N version of Windows is about to get even BETTER in Vista. The EU commision is planning to strip it to the bone and make it a nearly useless out-of-the-box experience! No search, media player, no metro .. heck, they are even considering banning IE7! How one is supposed to download a competing browser without a browser the EU commision does not explain .. and the EU commision makes no mention that both Apple OSX and countless Linux distributions do bundle all these thing and much more.
Does the EU commision have another agenda than simply precluding monopolistic practice? Why wouldn't they bar Apple from bundling on the Apple computer platform - Apple is just as - or more so - a "monopolist" on the Apple platform than any other software vendor - it's a near lockout at that. Why isn't that being addressed .. or is there another (hidden) agenda here?
["EU Warns Microsoft About Windows Vista" March 29, 2006 by Paul Thurrott] http://www.windowsitpro.com/articles/index.cfm?articleid=49836&cpage=1

Mike Williams wrote:

Gospel wrote:
Does the EU commision have another agenda than simply precluding monopolistic practice? Why wouldn't they bar Apple from bundling on the Apple computer platform - Apple is just as - or more so - a "monopolist" on the Apple platform than any other software vendor - it's a near lockout at that. Why isn't that being addressed .. or is there another (hidden) agenda here?
EU is also hitting Apple where it hurts. There's been quite a bit of news about it in recent weeks, not to mention the obligatory /. discussion.

Bundling a browser is not a monopolistic practice. Heck, for the most part, it becomes difficult to even get a competing browser unless there's one already on board. The commisions import seems too punitive to me and its intent seems ruinous rather than corrective. I just do not see the logic unless it is not based on precluding monopolistic practice but some other agenda - just my opinion, of course.

I am moving more to Starter Edition. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"Zack Whittaker" wrote in message

OI!!
Just because I live in the EU doesn't mean I'm going to use such n00bish software as an "N" Edition!! :oP Ultimate all the way baby *does the Victory dance*
-- Zack Whittaker Windows Server 2003 R2 Mentor » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared that up!
--- Original message follows --- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message I think this Edition of Windows Vista is meant for people only like Zack. :-p -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"Gospel" wrote in message The N version of Windows is about to get even BETTER in Vista. The EU commision is planning to strip it to the bone and make it a nearly useless out-of-the-box experience! No search, media player, no metro .. heck, they are even considering banning IE7! How one is supposed to download a competing browser without a browser the EU commision does not explain .. and the EU commision makes no mention that both Apple OSX and countless Linux distributions do bundle all these thing and much more.
Does the EU commision have another agenda than simply precluding monopolistic practice? Why wouldn't they bar Apple from bundling on the Apple computer platform - Apple is just as - or more so - a "monopolist" on the Apple platform than any other software vendor - it's a near lockout at that. Why isn't that being addressed .. or is there another (hidden) agenda here?
["EU Warns Microsoft About Windows Vista" March 29, 2006 by Paul Thurrott] http://www.windowsitpro.com/articles/index.cfm?articleid=49836&cpage=1

LOL Andre. Isn't it the most perfect edition :)
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

I am moving more to Starter Edition. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"Zack Whittaker" wrote in message OI!!
Just because I live in the EU doesn't mean I'm going to use such n00bish software as an "N" Edition!! :oP Ultimate all the way baby *does the Victory dance*
-- Zack Whittaker Windows Server 2003 R2 Mentor » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared that up!
--- Original message follows --- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message I think this Edition of Windows Vista is meant for people only like Zack. :-p -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"Gospel" wrote in message The N version of Windows is about to get even BETTER in Vista. The EU commision is planning to strip it to the bone and make it a nearly useless out-of-the-box experience! No search, media player, no metro .. heck, they are even considering banning IE7! How one is supposed to download a competing browser without a browser the EU commision does not explain .. and the EU commision makes no mention that both Apple OSX and countless Linux distributions do bundle all these thing and much more.
Does the EU commision have another agenda than simply precluding monopolistic practice? Why wouldn't they bar Apple from bundling on the Apple computer platform - Apple is just as - or more so - a "monopolist" on the Apple platform than any other software vendor - it's a near lockout at that. Why isn't that being addressed .. or is there another (hidden) agenda here?
["EU Warns Microsoft About Windows Vista" March 29, 2006 by Paul Thurrott] http://www.windowsitpro.com/articles/index.cfm?articleid=49836&cpage=1

I dont see anyone complaining about Linux that has thousands of packages in eatch distro....
If Linux could do it, MS should be able to do it.
-- Kenny - www.ComputerBoom.com Take a look at my site! A World Full of Wonders... If you can imagine it, it is possible.
-- "Gospel" wrote in message

The N version of Windows is about to get even BETTER in Vista. The EU commision is planning to strip it to the bone and make it a nearly useless out-of-the-box experience! No search, media player, no metro .. heck, they are even considering banning IE7! How one is supposed to download a competing browser without a browser the EU commision does not explain .. and the EU commision makes no mention that both Apple OSX and countless Linux distributions do bundle all these thing and much more.
Does the EU commision have another agenda than simply precluding monopolistic practice? Why wouldn't they bar Apple from bundling on the Apple computer platform - Apple is just as - or more so - a "monopolist" on the Apple platform than any other software vendor - it's a near lockout at that. Why isn't that being addressed .. or is there another (hidden) agenda here?
["EU Warns Microsoft About Windows Vista" March 29, 2006 by Paul Thurrott] http://www.windowsitpro.com/articles/index.cfm?articleid=49836&cpage=1

On a second thought....
Perhaps this edition will find many supporters though! As I see it there will be lots of American geeks trying to get their hands on the EU edition!
People have been trying to strip Windows of some of these things for a long time...
They will install firefox, vlc, foxit and the computer will be lighter.
Perhaps this will be hit for older systems....
-- Kenny - www.ComputerBoom.com Take a look at my site! A World Full of Wonders... If you can imagine it, it is possible.
-- "Gospel" wrote in message

The N version of Windows is about to get even BETTER in Vista. The EU commision is planning to strip it to the bone and make it a nearly useless out-of-the-box experience! No search, media player, no metro .. heck, they are even considering banning IE7! How one is supposed to download a competing browser without a browser the EU commision does not explain .. and the EU commision makes no mention that both Apple OSX and countless Linux distributions do bundle all these thing and much more.
Does the EU commision have another agenda than simply precluding monopolistic practice? Why wouldn't they bar Apple from bundling on the Apple computer platform - Apple is just as - or more so - a "monopolist" on the Apple platform than any other software vendor - it's a near lockout at that. Why isn't that being addressed .. or is there another (hidden) agenda here?
["EU Warns Microsoft About Windows Vista" March 29, 2006 by Paul Thurrott] http://www.windowsitpro.com/articles/index.cfm?articleid=49836&cpage=1

The EU isn't fighting the bundling of a browser, media reader, etc... with the OS. It's fighting the fact that these items cannot be uninstalled, which *is* a monopolistic practice. And FYI, I'm not about to purchase the "N" version any time soon, even though I am an EU citizen <g> As a matter of fact, I've yet to see an "N" box on the shelves... -- Pierre Szwarc Paris, France PGP key ID 0x75B5779B ------------------------------------------------ Multitasking: Reading in the bathroom ! ------------------------------------------------
"Gospel" a écrit dans le message de news: OjGc9TRVGHA.1348@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl... | The N version of Windows is about to get even BETTER in Vista. The EU | commision is planning to strip it to the bone and make it a nearly useless | out-of-the-box experience! No search, media player, no metro .. heck, they | are even considering banning IE7! How one is supposed to download a | competing browser without a browser the EU commision does not explain .. and | the EU commision makes no mention that both Apple OSX and countless Linux | distributions do bundle all these thing and much more. | | Does the EU commision have another agenda than simply precluding | monopolistic practice? Why wouldn't they bar Apple from bundling on the | Apple computer platform - Apple is just as - or more so - a "monopolist" on | the Apple platform than any other software vendor - it's a near lockout at | that. Why isn't that being addressed .. or is there another (hidden) agenda | here? | | ["EU Warns Microsoft About Windows Vista" March 29, 2006 by Paul Thurrott] | http://www.windowsitpro.com/articles/index.cfm?articleid=49836&cpage=1 | |

Pierre Szwarc wrote:

The EU isn't fighting the bundling of a browser, media reader, etc... with the OS. It's fighting the fact that these items cannot be uninstalled, which *is* a monopolistic practice. And FYI, I'm not about to purchase the "N" version any time soon, even though I am an EU citizen <g> As a matter of fact, I've yet to see an "N" box on the shelves...

All the visible pieces of UI can be disabled, allowing the plumbing pieces that Windows uses to run other programs in place. It's nice to know that I can log onto a computer and enable such important pieces when necessary.
I think sales of 'N' are almost zero. EU law requires that all the OEMs keep it in their parts catalogs (in all the localized versions), so it's mainly creating more work for them at zero gain.

The analogy with linux is not a good one.. In Linux you usually have the choice WHICH MediaPlayer (eg vlc, mplayer, amarok), WebBrowser (mozilla-based like Firefox; Opera; Konqueror) etc. you want to install. With Windows without N it is ONLY InternetExploder. And with N it's nothing. But you still can download the browser of your choice using the commandline-ftp :-) IMHO the N-thingie would be the OS of my choice, as I don't use IE, OE and WMP at all, and have my Firefox, MediaPlayerClassic and Winamp on a CD (which I always carry with me..)

Look, the figures from Windows XP "N" sales are so shocking... but it's no real water of their back because they're so rich and could easily do it.
But I see what you mean :o)
-- Zack Whittaker Windows Server 2003 R2 Mentor » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared that up!
--- Original message follows --- "Jens Mander" wrote in message

The analogy with linux is not a good one.. In Linux you usually have the choice WHICH MediaPlayer (eg vlc, mplayer, amarok), WebBrowser (mozilla-based like Firefox; Opera; Konqueror) etc. you want to install. With Windows without N it is ONLY InternetExploder. And with N it's nothing. But you still can download the browser of your choice using the commandline-ftp :-) IMHO the N-thingie would be the OS of my choice, as I don't use IE, OE and WMP at all, and have my Firefox, MediaPlayerClassic and Winamp on a CD (which I always carry with me..)

Zack Whittaker wrote:

Look, the figures from Windows XP "N" sales are so shocking... but it's no real water of their back because they're so rich and could easily do it.

Yes, but it means that hundreds of people are taken away from more productive work to make "N" available. So bugs don't get fixed, new features don't get written...

Jens Mander wrote:

The analogy with linux is not a good one.. In Linux you usually have the choice WHICH MediaPlayer (eg vlc, mplayer, amarok), WebBrowser (mozilla-based like Firefox; Opera; Konqueror) etc. you want to install. With Windows without N it is ONLY InternetExploder. And with N it's nothing. But you still can download the browser of your choice using the commandline-ftp :-) IMHO the N-thingie would be the OS of my choice, as I don't use IE, OE and WMP at all, and have my Firefox, MediaPlayerClassic and Winamp on a CD (which I always carry with me..)

The choice is there with Windows too. OEMs can install alternatives and individuals can download alternatives. You can even make some of the Windows apps "disappear" although because other programs sometimes depend on common DLLs so some plumbing remains. If someone wants to pretty much use exclusively iTunes for music, they can already do so on Windows.
If a distro of linux only included one browser and one media player, should the creators be ordered to remove said browser and player? No. Well the Windows distro comes with a browser and player - so what?

John Jay Smith wrote:

On a second thought....
Perhaps this edition will find many supporters though! As I see it there will be lots of American geeks trying to get their hands on the EU edition!
People have been trying to strip Windows of some of these things for a long time...
They will install firefox, vlc, foxit and the computer will be lighter.
Perhaps this will be hit for older systems....
-- Kenny - www.ComputerBoom.com Take a look at my site! A World Full of Wonders... If you can imagine it, it is possible.
-- "Gospel" wrote in message The N version of Windows is about to get even BETTER in Vista. The EU commision is planning to strip it to the bone and make it a nearly useless out-of-the-box experience! No search, media player, no metro .. heck, they are even considering banning IE7! How one is supposed to download a competing browser without a browser the EU commision does not explain .. and the EU commision makes no mention that both Apple OSX and countless Linux distributions do bundle all these thing and much more.
Does the EU commision have another agenda than simply precluding monopolistic practice? Why wouldn't they bar Apple from bundling on the Apple computer platform - Apple is just as - or more so - a "monopolist" on the Apple platform than any other software vendor - it's a near lockout at that. Why isn't that being addressed .. or is there another (hidden) agenda here?
["EU Warns Microsoft About Windows Vista" March 29, 2006 by Paul Thurrott] http://www.windowsitpro.com/articles/index.cfm?articleid=49836&cpage=1

Yes, but an N version would be a "monopolistic" version too, as removing stuff will be competition for companies like LitePC! No matter what Microsoft does the Euro commision will complain.

Nah of course not! :o) I'm not 100% sure of it, but they do have different groups under the Vista "umbrella". They have the Network Stack group, the UI group, the designers and all that - they'll also have the localisation group of which will probably cover Windows Vista "N". It's really not all that difficult just to remove Windows Media Player - just a few registry keys and to change file permissions and stuff.
To be completely honest, I wouldn't be surprised if they got 1 person to do it actually - maximum of 10 :o)
-- Zack Whittaker Windows Server 2003 R2 Mentor » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared that up!
--- Original message follows --- "Mike Williams" wrote in message

Zack Whittaker wrote: Look, the figures from Windows XP "N" sales are so shocking... but it's no real water of their back because they're so rich and could easily do it.
Yes, but it means that hundreds of people are taken away from more productive work to make "N" available. So bugs don't get fixed, new features don't get written...

It sure is, my possibilities are limit-ful. ;) -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Jason" wrote in message

LOL Andre. Isn't it the most perfect edition :)
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message I am moving more to Starter Edition. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"Zack Whittaker" wrote in message OI!!
Just because I live in the EU doesn't mean I'm going to use such n00bish software as an "N" Edition!! :oP Ultimate all the way baby *does the Victory dance*
-- Zack Whittaker Windows Server 2003 R2 Mentor » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared that up!
--- Original message follows --- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message I think this Edition of Windows Vista is meant for people only like Zack. :-p -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"Gospel" wrote in message The N version of Windows is about to get even BETTER in Vista. The EU commision is planning to strip it to the bone and make it a nearly useless out-of-the-box experience! No search, media player, no metro .. heck, they are even considering banning IE7! How one is supposed to download a competing browser without a browser the EU commision does not explain .. and the EU commision makes no mention that both Apple OSX and countless Linux distributions do bundle all these thing and much more.
Does the EU commision have another agenda than simply precluding monopolistic practice? Why wouldn't they bar Apple from bundling on the Apple computer platform - Apple is just as - or more so - a "monopolist" on the Apple platform than any other software vendor - it's a near lockout at that. Why isn't that being addressed .. or is there another (hidden) agenda here?
["EU Warns Microsoft About Windows Vista" March 29, 2006 by Paul Thurrott] http://www.windowsitpro.com/articles/index.cfm?articleid=49836&cpage=1

On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 23:46:45 +0100, Gospel wrote:

The N version of Windows is about to get even BETTER in Vista. The EU commision is planning to strip it to the bone and make it a nearly useless out-of-the-box experience! No search, media player, no metro .. heck, they are even considering banning IE7! How one is supposed to download a competing browser without a browser the EU commision does not explain .. and the EU commision makes no mention that both Apple OSX and countless Linux distributions do bundle all these thing and much more.

The EU Comission have simply lost the plot. They THINK they are protecting us, but they are just Causing MS problems, At the end of the day, Europeans are going to pay for Vista N (XP N).
1/ Because it costs MS more to do this work, so it gets passed on to users as part of the selling price 2/ We pay the EU to push these changes through on our behalf, and this is part of our taxes.
Europe must be such a great place, if the only problems to sort, are bundled applications with Microsoft software. Personally, I think my taces should be spend persuing bigger issues...
-- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

On Sat, 01 Apr 2006 09:05:35 +0100, Pierre Szwarc wrote:

The EU isn't fighting the bundling of a browser, media reader, etc... with the OS. It's fighting the fact that these items cannot be uninstalled, which *is* a monopolistic practice. And FYI, I'm not about to purchase the "N" version any time soon, even though I am an EU citizen <g> As a matter of fact, I've yet to see an "N" box on the shelves...

Then perhaps someone should show the EU Comission "Program Access and Defaults", which allows removal of IE, Mediaplayer and all the other bundled stuff....
Seems like this is just the French pushing this through again, with their anti-corporate stance (like the Apple iTunes thing recently).

I totally agree. This is getting out of control. One thing I would hate to see but MS may have to do is raise its prices over in the EU because of all the fines that they have placed on MS. EU is now looking into Apple and Windows VISTA. Looks like they have nothing better to do then to screw the consumer in the long run.
"Mark Gillespie" wrote in message

On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 23:46:45 +0100, Gospel wrote:
The N version of Windows is about to get even BETTER in Vista. The EU commision is planning to strip it to the bone and make it a nearly useless out-of-the-box experience! No search, media player, no metro .. heck, they are even considering banning IE7! How one is supposed to download a competing browser without a browser the EU commision does not explain .. and the EU commision makes no mention that both Apple OSX and countless Linux distributions do bundle all these thing and much more.
The EU Comission have simply lost the plot. They THINK they are protecting us, but they are just Causing MS problems, At the end of the day, Europeans are going to pay for Vista N (XP N).
1/ Because it costs MS more to do this work, so it gets passed on to users as part of the selling price 2/ We pay the EU to push these changes through on our behalf, and this is part of our taxes.
Europe must be such a great place, if the only problems to sort, are bundled applications with Microsoft software. Personally, I think my taces should be spend persuing bigger issues...
-- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

I'm not sure the French have that much influence on the EU's decisions, and in any case the "Program Access and Defaults" settings do *not* uninstall anything. They just point to a given program for a specific function, provided it has registered itself as capable of the function. -- Pierre Szwarc Paris, France PGP key ID 0x75B5779B ------------------------------------------------ Multitasking: Reading in the bathroom ! ------------------------------------------------
"Mark Gillespie" a écrit dans le message de news: op.s7fio4jej2q9yy@xplaptop.draytek... | | | Then perhaps someone should show the EU Comission "Program Access and | Defaults", which allows removal of IE, Mediaplayer and all the other | bundled stuff.... | | Seems like this is just the French pushing this through again, with their | anti-corporate stance (like the Apple iTunes thing recently).

On Mon, 03 Apr 2006 17:59:32 +0100, Pierre Szwarc wrote:

I'm not sure the French have that much influence on the EU's decisions, and in any case the "Program Access and Defaults" settings do *not* uninstall anything. They just point to a given program for a specific function, provided it has registered itself as capable of the function.

It removes references to the said programs, which considering the people these EU leglislations are aimed at, has the effect of removing them.

Why .........Ask.............Why "Gospel" wrote in message

The N version of Windows is about to get even BETTER in Vista. The EU commision is planning to strip it to the bone and make it a nearly useless out-of-the-box experience! No search, media player, no metro .. heck, they are even considering banning IE7! How one is supposed to download a competing browser without a browser the EU commision does not explain .. and the EU commision makes no mention that both Apple OSX and countless Linux distributions do bundle all these thing and much more.
Does the EU commision have another agenda than simply precluding monopolistic practice? Why wouldn't they bar Apple from bundling on the Apple computer platform - Apple is just as - or more so - a "monopolist" on the Apple platform than any other software vendor - it's a near lockout at that. Why isn't that being addressed .. or is there another (hidden) agenda here?
["EU Warns Microsoft About Windows Vista" March 29, 2006 by Paul Thurrott] http://www.windowsitpro.com/articles/index.cfm?articleid=49836&cpage=1